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===Domegliara-S Ambrogio (Bivio S Massimo) - Verona Porta Nuova===
===Domegliara-S Ambrogio (Bivio S Massimo) - Verona Porta Nuova===
[50] (''137B4'') IT19/31
[50] (''137B4'') IT20/31


There are two routes from the Trento line into Verona Porta Nuova, which divide at Bivio S Massimo.  The connection used by most trains joins the Brescia line from the north.
There are two routes from the Trento line into Verona Porta Nuova, which divide at Bivio S Massimo.  The connection used by most trains joins the Brescia line from the north.


The alternative route passes beneath the Brescia line and joins the line from Bologna at Verona Porta Nuova Scalo. This is used by trains between the Trento line and platforms 10, 11 and 12 at Porta Nuova.  Through trains between the Bologna and Trento lines mostly use this route. '''Exceptions''' to this, using platform 1 on the north side of Verona Porta Nuova are:
The alternative route passes beneath the Brescia line and joins the line from Bologna at Verona Porta Nuova Scalo. This is used by trains between the Trento line and platforms 10, 11 and 12 at Porta Nuova.  Through trains between the Bologna and Trento lines mostly use this route.
 
===Verona west-south avoiding line: Castelnuovo del Garda (Bivio Fenilone) – Buttapietra or Dossobuono (Bivio S. Lucia)===
[12, 51, 186] (''137B4'') IT20/32
 
This curve enables trains to run between the Brescia and Bologna lines without having to reverse at Verona Porta Nuova.  It is used between June and August by a train pair between Bergamo and Pesaro.  The 2019 schedule was


{| class="ostable"
{| class="ostable"
| D
|  
|  
|
| ''R1771''
| ''RV2251''
| Bergamo - 08:17 Brescia - Pesaro
| Bolzano/Bozen - 07:03 Verona Porta Nuova - Bologna Centrale
|-  
|-  
|
| D
|
| ''FA8512''
| Roma Termini - 12:45 Bologna Centrale - Bolzano/Bozen
|-
| D1
|  
|  
| ''ITA8948''
| ''R1770''
| Napoli Centrale - 18:33 Bologna Centrale - Bolzano/Bozen
| Pesaro - 21:01 Nogara - Bregamo
|-
|
|
| ''FA8524''
| Roma Termini - 18:45 Bologna Centrale - Bolzano/Bozen
|-
|
|
| ''FA8526''
| Roma Termini - 19:45 Bologna Centrale - Bolzano/Bozen
|}
|}


D1: ''Italo'' high-speed train on which Trenitalia tickets are not valid
These trains are not shown in ''In Treno'', but the 2019 schedule can be found at the [https://www.tper.it/sites/tper.it/files/freccia%20orobica%202019_0.pdf TPER website]
 
===Verona west-south avoiding line: Castelnuovo del Garda (Bivio Fenilone) – Buttapietra or Dossobuono (Bivio S. Lucia)===
[12, 51, 186] (''137B4'') IT19/32
 
This curve enables trains to run between the Brescia and Bologna lines without having to reverse at Verona Porta Nuova. It is used between June and August by a train pair between Bergamo and Pesaro.


===Verona west-north avoiding line: Castelnuovo del Garda (Bivio Fenilone) – Domegliara-S.Ambroglio (Bivio S. Massimo)===
===Verona west-north avoiding line: Castelnuovo del Garda (Bivio Fenilone) – Domegliara-S.Ambroglio (Bivio S. Massimo)===
[12, 50] (''137B4'') IT19/33
[12, 50] (''137B4'') IT20/33


This curve enables trains to run between the Brescia and Trento lines without having to reverse at Verona Porta Nuova. [http://www.ferrovieturistiche.it Ferrovie Turistiche Italiane] has to run excursions in November and December from Milano and Lecco to the Christmas market at Trento via this route.
This curve enables trains to run between the Brescia and Trento lines without having to reverse at Verona Porta Nuova. Click on the thumbnail for a full size map.
Click on the thumbnail for a full size map.
[[File:Verona_3.jpg|50px|thumb|left]]<br style="clear: both" />
[[File:Verona_3.jpg|50px|thumb|left]]<br style="clear: both" />
In recent years [http://www.ferrovieturistiche.it Ferrovie Turistiche Italiane] has run excursions in November and December from Milano and Lecco to the Christmas market at Trento via this route. In 2019 they ran on 1/8/24 December.


===Buttapietra or Dossobuono (Bivio S. Lucia) - Verona Porta Nuova===
===Buttapietra or Dossobuono (Bivio S. Lucia) - Verona Porta Nuova===
[50] (''137B4'') IT19/34  
[50] (''137B4'') IT20/34  


There are two routes from the Bologna and Mantova lines into Verona Porta Nuova, which divide at Bivio S Lucia. One route runs south of the locomotive depot via Verona Porta Nuova Scalo and the other runs on an embankment north of the locomotive depot.  All platforms are accessible from the embankment line.  Most trains use platforms 7 or 8 at Verona Porta Nuova and mostly appear to use the embankment route.  Any using higher-numbered platforms may run via Porta Nuova Scalo, but the embankment line appears preferred for terminating trains.  Through trains between the Bologna and Trento lines mostly use this route.  See route IT19/31 for exceptions.
There are two routes from the Bologna and Mantova lines into Verona Porta Nuova, which divide at Bivio S Lucia. One route runs south of the locomotive depot via Verona Porta Nuova Scalo and the other runs on an embankment north of the locomotive depot.  All platforms are accessible from the embankment line.  Most trains use platforms 7 or 8 at Verona Porta Nuova and mostly appear to use the embankment route.  Any using higher-numbered platforms may run via Porta Nuova Scalo, but the embankment line appears preferred for terminating trains.  Through trains between the Bologna and Trento lines are more likely to run via Porta Nuova Scalo.  


Click on the thumbnail for a full size map.
Click on the thumbnail for a full size map.
Line 61: Line 47:


===Castelnuovo del Garda (Bivio Fenilone) - Verona Porta Nuova===
===Castelnuovo del Garda (Bivio Fenilone) - Verona Porta Nuova===
[12] (''137B4'') IT19/35
[12] (''137B4'') IT20/35


There is a route between Verona Porta Nuova and the main line to Brescia and Milano via Verona Porta Nuova Scalo.     
There is a route between Verona Porta Nuova and the main line to Brescia and Milano via Verona Porta Nuova Scalo.     
Line 67: Line 53:
[[File:Verona_2.jpg|50px|thumb|left]]<br style="clear: both" />
[[File:Verona_2.jpg|50px|thumb|left]]<br style="clear: both" />


It may be used by trains to and from platforms 10, 11 and 12 at Verona Porta Nuova (on the south side of the station), but there are few of these:  
It may be used by trains to and from platforms 10, 11 and 12 at Verona Porta Nuova (on the south side of the station), but there are few of them.  The following were noted to be using these platforms in 2019:  


{| class="ostable"
{| class="ostable"
| D1
|  
|  
| ''ITA8931''
|
| ''ITA8951''
| Bergamo - 06:27 Brescia - Napoli Centrale
| Bergamo - 06:27 Brescia - Napoli Centrale
|-  
|-  
|
|  
| SSuX
| SSuX
| ''R2092''
| ''R2092''
| 06:55 Verona Porta Nuova - Milano Centrale
| 06:55 Verona Porta Nuova - Milano Centrale
|-
|-
| D2
| D1
| SuX
| ''EN232''
| Wien Hbf - 07:00 Verona Porta Nuova - Milano Centrale
|-
| D2
| SuX
| SuX
| ''R2058''
| ''R2058''
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|}
|}


D1: ''Italo'' high-speed train on which Trenitalia tickets are not valid
''ITA8951'' is an ''Italo'' high-speed train on which Trenitalia tickets are not valid.


D2: Train runs via the main line and not via Porta Nuova Scalo on Sundays
D1: Train runs via the main line and not via Porta Nuova Scalo on Sunday mornings


Note that train ''R2060'', 08:40 Verona Porta Nuova to Milano Centrale appears from Trenitalia timetables to take longer than usual between Verona and Peschiera del Garda, but it does '''not''' use this route.  It is looped at Peschiera del Garda for six minutes in order to be overtaken by a following train.
Note that train ''R2060'', 08:40 Verona Porta Nuova to Milano Centrale appears from Trenitalia timetables to take longer than usual between Verona and Peschiera del Garda, but it does '''not''' use this route.  It is looped at Peschiera del Garda for six minutes in order to be overtaken by a following train.


'''The compilers would welcome reports of current platform use at Verona and of use of this route.'''
'''The compilers would welcome reports of current platform use at Verona and of use of this route in particular.'''


===Venezia avoiding line: Venezia Mestre Ospedale or Venezia Carpenedo (Confluenza UD/TS) - Mira-Marano (G.S. Mestre AC)===
===Venezia avoiding line: Venezia Mestre Ospedale or Venezia Carpenedo (Confluenza UD/TS) - Mira-Marano (G.S. Mestre AC)===
[14, 55] (''138B3'') IT19/36
[D] (''138B3'') IT19/36


This curve is used by trains between the Treviso or Trieste and Padova lines to avoid reversal at Venezia Mestre.Click on the thumbnail for a full size map.
This curve allows trains to run between the Treviso or Trieste and Padova lines without reversing at Venezia Mestre. Click on the thumbnail for a full size map.
[[File:Venezia_1.jpg|50px|thumb|left]]<br style="clear: both" />
[[File:Venezia_1.jpg|50px|thumb|left]]<br style="clear: both" />


The following trains use this route:-
It is used by overnight trains between Italy and Austria via Tarvisio.  These run with no advertised stops between Bologna or Padova and Villach.
 
{| class="ostable"
|
|
| ''EN295''
| München Hbf - 00:55 Villach Hbf - Roma Termini
|-
| D
| WFO
| ''EN1237''
| Wien Hbf - 00:45 ThSO Villach Hbf - Livorno Centrale
|-
|
|
| ''EN233''
| Wien Hbf - 01:34 Villach Hbf - Milano Centrale
|-
|
|
| ''EN234''
| Milano Centrale - 23:44 Padova - Wien Hbf
|-
| D
| ThSO
| ''EN1236''
| Livorno Centrale - 23:49 Padova - Wien Hbf
|-
|
|
| ''EN294''
| Roma Termini - 22:57 Bologna Centrale - München Hbf
|}


==See also==
==See also==

Revision as of 16:55, 4 March 2020

Introduction

This list is based on the timetable in force from 10 December 2023. Although the timetable is shown as valid until 8 June 2024, most long-distance services are shown as operating only until March. Such trains are not indicated by note 'D' (for a service only running on certain dates), because it is a reasonable expectation that their period of operation will be extended or a similar service is provided instead. It is assumed that the timetable will continue to be updated and reissued regularly, as has been the case since summer 2020. Users are recommended to check the Trenitalia website to ensure they are using the latest version of the timetable.

Table numbers quoted here are from In Treno Tutt'Italia, the official Trenitalia timetable. Standard abbreviations are explained here.

Map references for each route entry are given in parentheses ( ). References prefixed "ERA-E" refer to the European Railway Atlas (All-Europe Edition) by M.G. Ball. References prefixed "ERA-R" refer to the European Railway Atlas (Regional Series: Book 2) by M.G. Ball. References prefixed "S+W", or in italic, refer to Atlante ferroviaro d'Italia e Slovenia by Schweers + Wall.

Two useful symbols exist which show the booked route for trains not calling at a station: in the middle of the train column, a vertical bar "|" means that the train passes through the station without stopping, whereas a middle dot "·" means that the train does not pass through that station but instead takes a different route.

Obscure services

Domegliara-S Ambrogio (Bivio S Massimo) - Verona Porta Nuova

[50] (137B4) IT20/31

There are two routes from the Trento line into Verona Porta Nuova, which divide at Bivio S Massimo. The connection used by most trains joins the Brescia line from the north.

The alternative route passes beneath the Brescia line and joins the line from Bologna at Verona Porta Nuova Scalo. This is used by trains between the Trento line and platforms 10, 11 and 12 at Porta Nuova. Through trains between the Bologna and Trento lines mostly use this route.

Verona west-south avoiding line: Castelnuovo del Garda (Bivio Fenilone) – Buttapietra or Dossobuono (Bivio S. Lucia)

[12, 51, 186] (137B4) IT20/32

This curve enables trains to run between the Brescia and Bologna lines without having to reverse at Verona Porta Nuova. It is used between June and August by a train pair between Bergamo and Pesaro. The 2019 schedule was

D R1771 Bergamo - 08:17 Brescia - Pesaro
D R1770 Pesaro - 21:01 Nogara - Bregamo

These trains are not shown in In Treno, but the 2019 schedule can be found at the TPER website

Verona west-north avoiding line: Castelnuovo del Garda (Bivio Fenilone) – Domegliara-S.Ambroglio (Bivio S. Massimo)

[12, 50] (137B4) IT20/33

This curve enables trains to run between the Brescia and Trento lines without having to reverse at Verona Porta Nuova. Click on the thumbnail for a full size map.


In recent years Ferrovie Turistiche Italiane has run excursions in November and December from Milano and Lecco to the Christmas market at Trento via this route. In 2019 they ran on 1/8/24 December.

Buttapietra or Dossobuono (Bivio S. Lucia) - Verona Porta Nuova

[50] (137B4) IT20/34

There are two routes from the Bologna and Mantova lines into Verona Porta Nuova, which divide at Bivio S Lucia. One route runs south of the locomotive depot via Verona Porta Nuova Scalo and the other runs on an embankment north of the locomotive depot. All platforms are accessible from the embankment line. Most trains use platforms 7 or 8 at Verona Porta Nuova and mostly appear to use the embankment route. Any using higher-numbered platforms may run via Porta Nuova Scalo, but the embankment line appears preferred for terminating trains. Through trains between the Bologna and Trento lines are more likely to run via Porta Nuova Scalo.

Click on the thumbnail for a full size map.


Castelnuovo del Garda (Bivio Fenilone) - Verona Porta Nuova

[12] (137B4) IT20/35

There is a route between Verona Porta Nuova and the main line to Brescia and Milano via Verona Porta Nuova Scalo. Click on the thumbnail for a full size map.


It may be used by trains to and from platforms 10, 11 and 12 at Verona Porta Nuova (on the south side of the station), but there are few of them. The following were noted to be using these platforms in 2019:

ITA8951 Bergamo - 06:27 Brescia - Napoli Centrale
SSuX R2092 06:55 Verona Porta Nuova - Milano Centrale
D1 SuX R2058 07:45 Verona Porta Nuova - Milano Centrale
SSuO R1703 19:23 Verona Porta Nuova - Lecco

ITA8951 is an Italo high-speed train on which Trenitalia tickets are not valid.

D1: Train runs via the main line and not via Porta Nuova Scalo on Sunday mornings

Note that train R2060, 08:40 Verona Porta Nuova to Milano Centrale appears from Trenitalia timetables to take longer than usual between Verona and Peschiera del Garda, but it does not use this route. It is looped at Peschiera del Garda for six minutes in order to be overtaken by a following train.

The compilers would welcome reports of current platform use at Verona and of use of this route in particular.

Venezia avoiding line: Venezia Mestre Ospedale or Venezia Carpenedo (Confluenza UD/TS) - Mira-Marano (G.S. Mestre AC)

[D] (138B3) IT19/36

This curve allows trains to run between the Treviso or Trieste and Padova lines without reversing at Venezia Mestre. Click on the thumbnail for a full size map.


It is used by overnight trains between Italy and Austria via Tarvisio. These run with no advertised stops between Bologna or Padova and Villach.

See also